Chad Wolfe | Brand Manager at Turtleson

Chad Wolfe is a leading expert in customer behavior with a track record of transforming how brands connect with their audience. He began his career at Trek, where he mastered the art of customer service and relationship-building. Today, at Turtleson, Chad brings that same customer-first mindset to the world of e-commerce

“Just ask people what they were looking for.” – Chad Wolfe

Summary of the Interview with Time Stamps ⬇️

From Bikes to Apparel: Finding Common Ground (0:00 – 1:37)

Chad Wolf introduces himself (0:11-0:22) and his role as brand manager at Turtlesen, sharing his transition from traditional retail at Trek Bicycles to a digital platform. He discusses (0:35-0:46) the surprising parallels he’s found between the bicycle and apparel industries, emphasizing that both focus on selling “wants” rather than “needs.” This underscores the importance of understanding consumer desire. He then highlights (1:26-1:32) the shift towards selling experiences, not just products, emphasizing the feeling and confidence clothing provides. Chad concludes this segment (1:32-1:37) by noting the unexpected similarities between selling hard goods like bicycles and the more experience-driven apparel industry.

The Taco Trek: A Story of Listening to Customers (1:37 – 6:32)

Chad details the origin of the Taco Trek (1:56-2:18), which began as a response to low sales and revenue at the Trek bicycle store in Johnson City. He explains (2:36-3:06) the use of customer surveys and the surprising realization that their assumptions about customer cycling habits were inaccurate. By rephrasing survey questions (3:18-3:47) to focus on ride duration instead of distance, Trek gained valuable insights into customer preferences. This led to the creation (4:06-4:16) of the Taco Trek—a social, inclusive, and fun weekly bicycle ride designed to encourage more people to cycle. The Taco Trek’s success (4:55-5:15) led to its adoption as a model for community engagement across the Trek brand, even impacting cycling infrastructure (5:27-5:39) in local communities. Chad concludes by describing (5:57-6:03) the remarkable expansion and global reach of the Taco Trek initiative.

The Cheat Code: Truly Knowing Your Customer (6:32 – 8:10)

Chad emphasizes (6:37-6:57) the commonly touted business advice of “knowing your customer,” often found in business books, but stresses the need to move beyond theory. He champions taking actionable steps (7:02-7:20) and highlights the advantage brick-and-mortar stores have in building personal relationships with customers. Crucially, he differentiates (7:39-7:48) between knowing how customers buy and knowing why they buy, stressing the latter as essential. Finally, Chad discusses (7:54-8:10) the impact of personalized touches, such as handwritten notes, in fostering stronger customer connections.

Building a Driven Team: Clarity and Purpose (8:10 – 14:46)

Chad underscores the importance (10:44-10:46) of a strong team united by a shared vision. He challenges (11:38-11:46) the traditional “seat on the bus” analogy, advocating for active participation and “driving” from every team member. He criticizes (12:15-12:28) generic mission statements, preferring a clear and easily understood company vision. Chad then stresses (13:29-13:35) the importance of clarity for employees so they understand the direct impact of their work on the company’s overall objectives. Finally, he brings in (14:28-14:34) the financial realities of running a business, emphasizing the need for every team member to understand their role in revenue generation.

Hiring for Personality: The Untaught Skill (14:46 – 20:35)

Chad explains (17:33-17:40) his unconventional approach to hiring, prioritizing personality over specific industry experience, drawing from a diverse range of backgrounds. He strongly believes (19:24-19:37) that connecting with people is an inherent trait, far more valuable than teachable skills. He recommends (19:59-20:07) making quick decisions in the hiring process, trusting your gut feeling about a candidate. He uses the analogy (20:13-20:35) of his grandmother’s experience to highlight the kind of positive, welcoming interaction he wants every customer to have, emphasizing the direct link between employee personality and brand reputation.

The Power of Existing Customers: Don’t Chase the New (20:35 – 21:21)

Chad reminds businesses (20:46-20:53) to value their existing customer base, referring to them as a readily available “goldmine.” He emphasizes (21:13-21:15) the importance of maintaining consistent communication and understanding the evolving needs of these loyal customers.

Defining and Maintaining Culture: The Story of Your Brand (21:21 – 27:08)

Chad defines company culture (21:53-22:19) as the shared stories and values that shape a company’s identity. He shares personal anecdotes (22:43-23:38) about his family to illustrate how these narratives create a shared understanding. He stresses (24:13-24:15) that consistently retelling these core stories is crucial for maintaining a vibrant company culture. Chad then cites (24:19-24:27) well-known brands like Disney and Chick-fil-A as prime examples of how clearly defined cultural values translate into positive customer experiences.

Numbers Tell a Story: Data as a Behavioral Tool (27:08 – 41:09)

Chad emphasizes (37:56-37:57) using data not just as raw numbers (“scores”) but as insights into customer and employee behavior (“stats”). He recommends (39:02-39:10) tracking multiple Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) that interact and influence each other to gain a comprehensive understanding of business performance. He also stresses (39:20-39:47) the importance of financial transparency within the company, promoting open communication about the numbers.

Standardizing Communication: The Four Bucket Approach (41:09 – 44:58)

Chad discusses (42:31-43:11) the value of targeted communication with customers, particularly via email. He introduces Turtlesen’s “four bucket” approach — Story, Deals, Launches, and Bundles — as a method for categorizing and tailoring communication. He explains (43:22-43:34) how this method enables personalized messaging and avoids overwhelming customers with irrelevant information.

Scalability and Small Hinges: The Dog Daycare Example (44:58 – 49:17)

Chad illustrates his point with a story (44:58-46:28) about consulting with a dog daycare business. He notes (46:28-47:02) how seemingly minor changes, like implementing name tags for employees, can significantly enhance the customer experience. He stresses (47:40-48:11) the importance of staff involvement in identifying areas for improvement, fostering a sense of ownership and accountability for positive changes. He then reiterates the importance of an iterative approach to improvement, focusing on learning, implementing, and relearning, no matter how small the change.